Remember part 1 and part 2 of my interview with Gordon Magee of Drs. Foster Smith? It’s been a while and I’m back to wrap up sharing what I was able to learn from this pioneer of e-commerce video. I probed Gordon for details on the strategic, long-term approach he’s using to drive multi-channel sales with video. In all honesty I did NOT learn of the rigid, measured direct-response strategy that I had expected. What I did uncover was how important trust is to a company that is, yes, financially precise and metrics-driven. Trust, as it turns out, appears to be the main driver in the company’s early, yet large, investment in video.
Uh oh, is this “branded entertainment”?
Now as many of you know I’m not a big fan of traditional, mass media “branding” advertising. In fact, I view most of it as a poorly executed, glorified art form — not a science. It thrives on waste. How many times have you been in a meeting and fallen back on the comfortable excuse of, “well… it did help brand us.” Unfortunately, many marketing failures are labeled “branding wins” when, in fact, the man or woman running the show (CEO, CMO, COO/CFO) knows better.
In many cases, a campaign’s tactics failed to produce a tangible, strategic business output. It failed. You can call it a win but they won’t when you leave the room.
I mention it because most use of video on the Web has been rather gratuitous. They call it “branded entertainment.” It has a tendency to be aimless eye-candy that marketers hope gets passed around and… and… and well… create attention/awareness, interest, desire and action (with the action piece being completely un-tracked and rather blindly assumed).
In this tough economy we need new, improved (ie. trackable, reliable, PROVEN) strategies not glorified tactics. Some call it marketing science and it’s time has arrived.
Now I’m not suggesting Gordon was or is wasting his marketing budget. What I AM suggesting is that the direct response metrics were left unclear to me and, perhaps, with good reason. Maybe DrsFosterSmith.com is too early on to really use them or — heck — reveal them to the world.
Increased trust as a valid goal
Let’s assume “better trust” or “more trust” among customers (new and old) is a valid business output. How tangible is it? How measurable is it? Heck, should it even be measured at all? Now we’re getting into dangerous guru territory where some believe ROI to be a silly pipe dream. But what if we could assign some tangible behaviors that customers demonstrate to “increased trust?”
Even more wild — what if we just assumed that part of a holistic marketing strategy was a foundation that must be built without expectation of measurement?
Gordon says…
“… we probably have more articles on pet care and more veterinary articles online than anybody in the country. So to go into video and do the same thing was just a natural outgrowth of what we have been doing for 25 years really.”
Why so much content? Trust. When it comes to pets and doctors (veterinarians) it’s not about price. It’s not about color, flavor, speed, accuracy or anything that would be desirable (aspirational). It’s about TRUSTING someone to help you take care of your pet’s health, well-being or a disease. Trust matters — in this case perhaps more than anything else.
Measurement: The details
Says Gordon, the future is all about…
“… a blending of a branding relationship development type strategy along with an ROI measurement. The ROI will be much more difficult to measure in some respects. Certainly we can use analytics tools to find out what people are clicking through on and if they have watched a video and what they did and so on. But frankly some of that gets so granular, you can have data overload, that you’re better off looking at the larger picture to determine what’s going on.”
Now typically these kinds of comments fly red flags with me… but I’m starting to wonder at this point. Gordon continues as I push him for details on WHAT he measures, why and what it proves…
“Are our sales moving up? Are people spending more time on the site? What’s actually happening? If we then try to drill down to every little item — at some point it becomes impractical apart from what some speakers will tell you at the Internet Retailer or show.
The first thing I study when I want to find out how we are doing is… what did we sell yesterday? What were our overall sales? What products were selling?”
Now at this point I was really starting to wonder, I’ll admit. This sounds like a BRANDING campaign and perhaps so… one aimed at creating or fostering trust. Gordon continues…
“Yes, we will look at email returns. Did this email do well? etc. Are people clicking through? What’s our click through rate? Those high level metrics are important so you have got a clue. But at the end of the day, if you have got all kinds of clever little analytical measurements that are telling you what people are clicking through and where they are going… well if you’re not selling anything that doesn’t matter.”
So I think you work from the other end of the pyramid, the sharp point of the pyramid being, ‘Did we sell stuff?’ Then drill down as far as you need to, to find out how you got there. Then stop before you drive yourself crazy.”
Ok… Gordon seemed to come back to measurement as being a worthwhile strategy at the end but it left me scratching my head a bit — but in fairness to Gordon and the company that’s just fine. It sets us up to ask more questions later
User / customer generated video
And what about user generated content (UGC) — specifically video? It would seem ripe for opportunity in the pet realm with all those cute cuddly little creatures of all sorts out there. To my surprise Gordon said no. His reasoning was remarkably sound and, not surprisingly, all about TRUST.
“Jeff, we will likely not get too much involved in that.. and part of the reason has to do with us being owned by veterinarians and people having that trust relationship with us regarding the information that they get.
We want to make sure that there are no misunderstandings about the veterinary pet care information that we provide. A misunderstanding could happen if we would have, let’s say, a customer quote something that isn’t the latest veterinary information from research and so on… have another customer read that and go, ‘Oh yeah, I should feed my dog X because customer Y said that’s the right thing to do,’ and maybe they didn’t read three entries later our analysis of, you know, ‘That’s actually not a good idea,’ kind of a thing.
I’ll give you just a quick example of something simple. We were on television here a few weeks ago. We brought pets down to Chicago’s In the Loop with iVillage. Had our veterinarians on, the question came up, ‘Is it OK to give milk to my cat?’ Of course, I’m from Iowa. We grew up doing that. And one of the vets said, ‘Actually, you know, it’s really not a good idea because they can have digestive problems. It’s really not what you should be feeding them.’
So little things like that that seem to be so common knowledge but incorrect are the kinds of things that we would not want to have on the website.
So we probably won’t do that. Our goal is to brand us… and not the other customers. We may at some point have a forum… where people can interact with us, but the scale of that, at times, it becomes so huge that management becomes a challenge. We just started a photo contest this past week. Right now we’ve got 5000 photo entries already in one week, and we’ve got to manage those and determine the winners, and so on. And I think ditto would happen with a forum.
Now, sounds like a really good marketing message to say, ‘Gordon, did you just hear yourself? If you can bring that many people to your site, wouldn’t you want to do that?’
Well, we do want to have them come but we want to have them be provided accurate information and not just have a cool Web 2.0 interaction with them . We want them to interact with information. At some point we might do the forum so they can interact with each other — I would say there’s some merit to that — but management’s part of the issue for us.
Candidly I think DrsFosterSmith.com’s approach is either a little from the hip or he is just holding back a bit. In either case I hope Gordon might share more details with us in months ahead. We marketers are living in historically difficult times where new tools are needed for marketing in the new economy. As my loyal followers know, I have a decent nose for sniffing out marketing waste and I’ll continue to share my research moving forward.
Still not got your fill of Gordon? Check out this short interview he was good enough to give me recently while in Chicago.


Excerpted from:
Using Video to Drive Sales in a Down Market